Tough Love and Bipolar Disorder

Tough love isn’t always tough. It also isn’t always love. How do you decide to take a tough stance with a loved one who suffers from mental illness?

There is usually a history of dysfunction before a family member or loved one decides he needs to take a firm stance with another family member. Lapsing into a mood of despair and broken promises, a parent may have to confront a mentally ill adult child about his behavior before the household deteriorates into a pattern of chaos and disorder. How do families regain their composure in the face of a loved one who loses all sense of boundaries? What do you do when a household is impacted by irregular sleep hours, isolating behavior, staying behind closed doors for days at a time, or becoming belligerent when confronted? How do parents present a firm stand against losses of personal hygiene, or threats of violence that threaten the normal functioning of the family? It is at times like these, especially after reported incidents, that family members must consider the prospect of taking a stand. This is no easy decision.

So what is tough love and does it work? Tough love comes into play quite often after a family has repeatedly attempted to resort to a moderate approach of reasoning with their loved one, with poor or no results. The household is close to being held hostage to the erratic and/or aggressive pronouncements of a family member who is out of control, firmly in denial, and may have lost a grip on reality.

Tough love is a response to the non-response of a loved one to recognize the need for treatment and acceptance that they are ill, mentally ill. It is about forcing a loved one with little or no insight into facing their situation. Sometimes it means giving an ultimatum of going for treatment or leaving the family home. It is often a last desperate attempt to reaffirm family normalcy and to bring balance back into the household. It is anguish for the family member seeking to regain boundaries.

Does it work? The prospect of turning out a child from the home is a heartrending decision a family naturally shrinks away from. It is only a last resort after repeated steps to get the mentally ill member to seek treatment. Often, tough love begins by making it clear they must see a doctor, take medication, and go into counseling. There are consequences for non-compliance. This is a long way from the assumption the loved one can no longer live with family or have touch with loved ones. Tough love is saying, “We’re not going to pretend any longer that there is not a problem.” It is taking the tough stand that you won’t allow denial to go on, and that there has to be a resolution. You know they need treatment, and you must take the loving action of forcing them to get better. It’s not a cure-all; it’s a beginning

60 comments: said...

My husband and I just asked our son, 20, to leave. LEAVE, leave. He is bi-polar, and on and off his meds. He recently tried a new one, that was working so of course he stopped taking it regularly the way it had been prescribed. He is really scary, threatening (to me, mostly) and has stolen thousands of dollars worth of belongings from ourselves and our other children. Stealing and selling our other son's Christmas present then blaming/threatening me was the last straw. And even though this has been a horrible, horrible number of years, my heart is just killing me. He just came home and asked for pillows and a sleeping bag to sleep in his car. Is anyone else going through this?? I know it was the right thing but I feel like I'm breaking in two.

Donald Kern said...

Dear Kimbaaz,

In reference to your post on my blog, yes, 1000's of families go through the burden of having to remove a mentally ill loved one from the home every year. My heart goes out to you. It is an ache in any parent's heart that has ever held a baby that grows up to be scary and unmanageable to have at home.
It can be too, the impetus for taking action.Demand your son has to stay on his meds, be compliant with treatment or leave. These are the rules of the household. Even then, without meds compliance, it may still break your heart. As I said in the blog post you read, you have to be ready to take this step. It is not easy. And yet, you can be resolved in knowing you were given no alternative and have plenty of company.
If you havn't done so yet, join a support group if one is offered in your area. There are also ones on line.NAMI, the National Alliance for the Mentally Ill has a peer run support groups for family members and parents of mentally ill children(adult children) where you can gain support, trade tips on how to handle a mentally ill child or partner, and decrease the sense of helplessness and stigma you may be experiencing. You might also be helped by engaging a mental health professional to help you through this episode in your life. Act now. Get the help you need.


Anonymous said...

Kimbaaz, I can relate to what you're saying. My son has a mental illness and he is in denial. He lived with me for 2 years without any treatment. He was incarcerated twice over those 2 years due to poor decisions (not stopping when asked by the police). He spent 6 months in jail and upon his release he moved out of state to live with his father. He has been there for almost 2 months and is now asking to come back to live with me. I too experienced him stealing and pawning my possessions. He was, and still is, very argumentative and verbally abusive. I had to put a lock on my bedroom door and I would sleep with mace under my pillow. He has never physically attacked me, but I was fearful that he might. I had to call the police on numerous occassions. I often felt like a prisoner in my own home. Anyway, I explained to him that if he decides to move back to this city, he would be homeless. It breaks my heart to think of him in this state, but I don't know what else to do. He continues to refuse treatment because he has no insight into his illness. I attend a monthly support group through NAMI and it does help. Please know that I am praying for you and other families in the same situation. You are not alone.

Anonymous said...

Our son has schizophrenia and has been living with us for 5 years. He is 35 and we are in our 60's. We have tried many ways to get him to accept his illness and treatment and he refuses. We are afraid of him and for him. We put him out for 4 months and then let him back in when he promised to go back to the doctor. He did not follow through. We have not had the courage to put him out again because now we know how hard it is. He will try to live in his car and keep calling us. We are at the end of our rope and don't know what else to do. I don't know if there is a similar website or blog for families of schizophrenics or does it make a difference? It is the same painful story no matter which diagnosis your child has.

Anonymous said...

My 21 year old son is dually diagnosed with bipolar disorder and drug addiction. We have tried everything we know to get him help. We have spent tons of money on rehabs. Nothing has helped. We put him out on the street for 4 days 3 nights, I thought I could not stand it so we allowed him to set up a tent in our backyard. He was very good at first, going to his doctor and taking his meds. Recently the old behaviors are starting again, drug use, mean talk. I fear we will have to make him leave again. I just worry that he might hurt himself or accidently someone else. I feel like it is our duty to keep him safe? After all he is sick. Our lives have been pretty miserable for the last 5 years since he got sick. Can people with mental illness understand consequences for their actions or are their brains so diseased that they just cannot reason?

Donald Kern,MFT said...

Dear Anonymous,
You, indeed, have a difficulty sorting out what to do for an adult child who remains without insight into his disability and dysfunctional behavior. While there are no easy answers, there is support both online and frequently in the community. The National Alliance for the Mentally Ill(NAMI) provides education, support groups, and an online presence for families of those who have major mental illness regardless of whether it is Schizaphrenia, Bipolar Disorder, Major Depression, or a severe personality disorder. NAMI is made
up of family volunteers who run their support groups and educational programs. Being in touch with those who are familiar with mental illness can be uplifting, bringing hope. As debilitating as mental illness can be to a family, there are paralells that cross over the labels and can serve you well. Getting support is valuable and should not be underestimated. Mental Health America (MHA) is another support organization, which may prove helpful regardless of which mental illness your loved one has. I hope you find some peace of mind admidst the unhappiness you are experencing. Googling NAMI or MHA may give you their websites and email.
The NAMI resource and support line is (800)950-6264. The Mental Health America phoneline I have is in the Los Angeles area and is (213)413-1130. They can help you get directed to their office in your area.Specific diagnosis information might help as well. I hope this helps.
Donald Kern, MFT

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Anonymous said...

We have an adult child that we had to fetch from school due to a psychotic break. He had previously (and rightly) been given the diagnosis of AS. We brought him home and encouraged him to continue therapy and medication of "some" sort. He agreed and did follow through for a short time, but rapidly digressed. Now a year later, he is right back (mentally) where he started and in denial. He has incurred debts that we are "assisting" him in paying off. I feel that we have done nothing short of enable him but my husband and he have the same name (Jr/Sr)and we bank at the same bank, so my husband feels that we must do this so our name is not marred. The adult child IS moving out (next month) with a roommate (unknown person to us)and our greatest fear is that this is going to be the swan dive of all swan dives. He refuses to seek professional help, refuses to consider that he needs stabilizing medication, refuses to listen to us...we are the enemy. He must be told to bath, he must be gotten up for work (he manages a part time shift job). He smokes like a chimney. His sleep pattern is completely without a schedule. He trusts those who we fear see him as a target and possible patsy due to the fact that we the parents are perceived as being wealthy. It is horrible sitting back watching this slow moving train wreck and knowing we are powerless short of having him committed (in our state it would only be a 48 hour stay)and then we would have to deal with the angry tirade afterwards. In any case it is great to have this forum to be able to share, vent, and see that there are others who have similar stories.

Anonymous said...

My son is 35 and bipolar.He makes everyone's life Hell. He perseverates on the smallest things until he works him self into a rage then attacks.He is awaiting trial right now for assaulting his brother.Lately he has ripped doors off of hinges,punched holes in the walls and pushed me.He has not worked in 4 years and lives off of me a 59 yr old young onset Parkinson's sufferer.I'm no longer Mom. I'm you f#ckn b#tch Cu#t. I no longer call authorities when he threatens suicide.A big part of me hopes he succeeds so me and the rest of the family can be free. I love him and I hate him. Ive considered letting the house go into foreclosure so I can just disappear and not tell him where Ive gone. I know the only peace my family will have is when he dies.

trevor johnson said...

Mentally ill or just a drug addict?? A drug addict because he's mentally ill or mentally ill because he's a drug addict? Or maybe the two have nothing to do with one another. This is what I am trying to get educated about. I know one thing, I am so tired of hearing about how my brother is "mentally ill," has a mental deficiency and as a result is on SS / Disability. To me it seems he has somehow manipulated and convinced everyone including the federal government, that yes he is Mentally Ill and therefore we should have to pay for his drug habit?? All I know is something is not quite right here. I am all ears.....

Jacque Garcia said...

This sounds just like my son only he is 18 and has no car. I don't know where he is tonight because I had to turn him out because of the stealing and rages. He won't get help.and is smoking synthetic pot, is addicted. I'm scared out of my mind. I'm dying inside. I have no support at home either. My husband is just glad he's gone...another story.

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toughlove said...

Does anyone have a good outcome from tough love? My son has been dealing with bipolar disorder. He takes his meds. Lives four hours away. He is trying but not hard enough. He has tried school with difficulty but wants to keep trying. We have been at this for twoyears . In some ways it is much better. The problem I have is he can't motivate himself to get out a seriously look for a job plus he is self medicating with pot. I've tried to get him to understand that is making it worse in the long run. I've stopped giving him money. I am paying his rent and electricity. I don't know how he is getting by unless its all coming from his girlfriend. Everyone keeps telling me to give him an ultimatum. I'm scared he will run. He is becoming more and more like his dad and grandmother which now I think must have had BP too. I'm just not ready but I feel like everyone else thinks I'm crazy. I just don't know if someone that's bipolar will be able to think on a logical level when pushed. I feel pulled in a hundreds different directions. I just want him to get a job and stop smoking because I believe it makes the swings more pronounced.

Anonymous said...

My daughter is bipolar refuses to take meds & is denial...she started getting very violent & verbally abusive...told her she had to leave, she lied, cheated and it is heartbreaking that she could be so cruel, it's the illness, but the hardest part is my husband doesn't see it & does whatever she asks of him, so I cant effectively parent without my husband...just besides myself with grief, can't get through to either one of them...she took off to CA & got married, her now husband doesn't know she's been lying to him about everything, so without meds it's a matter of time before things get bad, I don't know what we'll do if they ask for help, things will fall apart, I can't live with chaos like that, so I see everyone here has gone through it & it's a living nightmare

Donald Kern said...
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Donald Kern said...

Dear Anonymous
There is only so much you can do when dealing with a loved one who has Bipolar disorder. I do not know if there is more you can do, other then to understand your daughter is beyond your ability to influence her behavior. All you can do is let her know you are open to her for help if she can accept her disability and she understands she needs help.
What is more to the point is your relationship with your husband on this issue. There needs to be mutual support for each other's view in terms of dealing with your daughter's Bipolar diagnosis. This is not always so easily gained. Much as you may be seriously stressed in your daughter's denial, your husband's way of coping has been to give way to her behavior. Since the two of you are not on the same page, I suggest you two need to thrash this out between yourselves to reach some kind of resolution. If you two cannot do this alone, you might need to seek some professional help. Your living nightmare might be helped be someone who can educate and facilitate understanding between you and your husband. What will happen to your daughter is up to her in the long run and what will be left is your marital bond and how you approach it's nurturance. No doubt about it, tough love is tough on all of the family, not just the ill one.

Donald Kern said...

Dear toughlove wondering if there is any good outcome from tough love,
Patience is probably the hardest lesson to learn in dealing with a mentally ill loved one, allowing the understanding there are limits to your influence and more importantly , there are limits to an ill loved one's ability to address their mental illness. Sometimes Recovery goes ahead in fits and starts. It is not a linear process which goes forward in a smooth and progressive, ongoing manner. This is not easy to wrap your head around. We want our loved ones well already and it frustrates when there is an apparent stalling of movement forward. As difficult as it is, try to take heart in a loved one's accomplishments and have detachment when viewing their shortcomings. Not that any of this is easy. I don't think there is anything as stark and stubborn as mental illness and the difficult road of Recovery. It is tiring at times and an ill one has to sit for awhile alongside the road of Recovery sometimes to get the strength and resolve renewed. I think we have to remember that as difficult as it is for us, it is also troubling and exhausting to the loved one to move forward. Not to say watching a loved one become mentally ill and hoping for their Recovery is easy or without its pitfalls for family and friends.

Anonymous said...

43 year old son, diagnosed bipolar at 28, but most likely manisfesting the disease at 22...lived in divorced home with father who worked, and left unsupervised from age 13. Now once married, and at 30, broke chair over pregnant wife, choked wife with baby in arms in front of grandfather, and stabbed wife with fork in restaurant in 2002. Now divorced. Voluntarily hospitalized in lock up ward for 10 nights, father presently dying of uncurable cancer, and patient now with no job, but good job prospects, unpaid child support for 13 year old, and engaged to an oxycontone, welfare mama who has mental issues. Household where only sibling is taking care of dying dad does not welcome him, nor me his mom. Only has an uncle left, no welcome there. right now fiancee has restraining order out against right now he will have to enter homeless shelter, has bankrupted father, trying to do so with mother, and all of us are afraid of his violent tendencies...ripped rear view mirror off of windshield when in argument with fiancee, prior to recent hospitalzation...that prompted her first restraining order.

Anonymous said...

My 26 yr old son bipolar not on medicine beat up my 30 yr. Old daughter. We had him arrested. When he gets out of jail I have decided not to let him live with me which means he will be homeless. He picked me up by the neck one day and put my head through a wall. He verbally abuses his sisters and I on a daily basis. He threatens me all of the time. Hasnt been on his medicine in 5 years and hec wasdiagnosed at the age of 10. Help

Anonymous said...

.....My Dear Son....who was tentatively diagnosed with Apsergers; or possibly early-onset a child, is now 30, and living in and out of our home. He has a severe alcohol problem in the extreme (same as his bio father)....and two years ago went out to the bar; evidently got into some sort of altercation, per usual...and was found around midnight on Thanksgiving Eve laying hunched over in the middle of a busy road: Someone has beat him senseless, almost to death, blunt force trauma etc...a passerby called 911, he was rushed to hospital where, unbeknownst to us, he was taken to surgery for a cracked skull and subdural hematoma.....he had 85 staples placed in his head. He didn't come home for days, typical of we assumed he'd crashed at a friend's ....until that fateful call: Mr. O'Connor, this is Community Memorial Hospital, your son was finally able to give us your number...he's been here...he had brain surgery a coupla days ago....he was found in the middle of the road (YOUR BAAAAABY!!!!!!!!) Well folks, he came home a week and a half later, and while my husband and I were at pharmacy picking up his prescriptions, he snuck out and somehow stumbled down to the corner store with his head bandaged/stapled...and bought alcohol. And so the story goes. We put him out last summer after numerous incidences involving him coming home so drunk he could not see straight; covered in someone else's blood, and on and on ad nauseum (the skull beating was not even anywhere close to his "bottom") So after he'd been couch-surfing for a few weeks, he came by and asked to have a shower; I said, Sure....well, I heard a thud!!! Couldn't get the bathroom door opened as he had locked it; ran around to the bathroom window facing the outdoor patio, and lo and behold, there he was, my six foot baby, splayed out on the bathroom tile having a Grand Mal Seizure....and so it went... we got him out, phoned for an ambulance...he had dehydrated and malnourished his already very distraught body and brain...the blood tests showed no drugs or alcohol in his system...claimed he had been working construction all day....his body just cannot take the major abuse and insults any longer . Yep, and here we still are, many months later...and he comes in and out because we are now terrified of turning him back to the streets... He's been arrested twice recently for assault....stumbles home blind-drunk most nights, detailing horrific fights and things to his disgusted younger brother....threatens to break windows with his fists if we lock the front door late at night....I wake up out of a dead sleep when he comes home, my heart pounding and ripping out of my chest. I am a cancer survivor myself, and the stress this is causing me mentally and physically; well let's just say none of us will be shocked when the cancer "comes back" I almost feel as if it should'; I didn't raise him right, his bio father was around and he saw too much for someone with his emotional sensitivities...I was a very young naive stupid mother... so .... there you have it, plus lots more I dont have the breath to print. What to do here before he emotionally kills us all

Anonymous said...

My son is bipolar...wont have treatment..I have custody of kids...he trys bulling us all...he contrubutes nothing...its agreed that if I send him on his merry way..he will burn my house down..hes vengful..steals..does drugs ..ive seen the good side. But its gone..hes a user...I've hoped he would mess up on his own..I cant help him..he has mental issues..any ideas plez?

Donald Kern said...

Getting togeather as a family can sometimes help to come up with solutions and alternatives as well as create more unity for parents and siblings struggling with the fallout of irrational behavior of a mentally ill loved one. Creating a plan which can be used when there is a crisis is also helpful. Dealing with dysfunction &/or relapse by having a plan to follow, steps to take when crisis erupts and tests family members, can help sooth the anxious and fearful feelings when a sense of chaos is impacting you. Help can be found in creating a relapse plan by professionals in your area or by support organizations like NAMI or your local mental health dept. Creating a plan the whole family can participate in will reduce anxiety. Family meetings on a regular basis can help everyone cope better.

Donald Kern said...

To "my dear son" post of Jan 10th
A recurrent theme I hear in the blog posts responses is the out of control aspect of an adult child with a Bipolar diagnosis and how it impacts the family. What seems to be missing in all these reports is support for the family in crisis. This is a critical factor and can be remedied by joining a support group for family members of the mentally ill. Organizations such as the National Alliance for the Mentally Ill(NAMI) or the Depression and Bipolar Alliance(DBSA) offer support groups as do many local agencies who help treat the mentally ill. These groups are helpful in several ways. For one, they provide a visible face of others who are in the same or similar circumstances as their loved ones. You don't feel so isolated or impotent or alone. As well, hearing others solutions to dealing with a difficult mentally ill loved one can give advice of someone who has been there and knows what you are going through. Mental Health America is another organization which can help offer support groups &/or has information regarding them. The national office phone numbers where you can find out about services and local chapters in your area are as follows;NAMI-800-950-6264, DBSA-800-826-3632.

Donald Kern said...

To "My 26 year old son" post of January 9th
Dealing with a loved one who is aggressive and perhaps violent is a frightening, often traumatic prospect. Family and friends are often caught unaware when a mentally ill individual threatens their safety and wellbeing. At those times a family may be paralyzed into inaction, fearful that if they take action against a loved one who is out of control, he or she will retaliate. Often, a family is concerned that if they take action, a consequence which can have legal ramifications for their loved one will occur. What needs to be part of the solution in responding to such situations is considering the safety of family members and the community. This view has to be the beginning, defining frame of mind of those dealing with threats of violence. If you have a a Psychiatric Emergency Team(PET) in your area, call them. Your local mental health department and police can also direct you. Legal steps must be at the forefront of your thoughts given the situation of threat. If psychiatric intervention isn't available or plausible, a restraining order, conservatorship, calling the police needs to be implemented. In this regard, keeping a record of threats to your safety needs to be established to show a pattern of potential threat so legal authorities and the court can act. While this may be distasteful to consider, calling for help in managing a household held hostage, may be your only recourse. If you have exhausted treatment alternatives and find yourself coming up short, legal means of intervention may be your only alternative.

Anonymous said...

As I sit here and read these entries, i relive the years of pain and disarray my 19 year old daughter has caused our family while throwimg the blame.back on us. She had some issues as a houng child and was age 14.with adhd and bi bolar disorder. Tooks meds for.a short time then refused. She spiraled out of comtrol the past 2-3 years! Stealing , lying, defying, blaming and totally ripping apart. I tried reasoning with her about treatment and she said it was me....i was a terrible mother. I finally several months ago after having to hit rock bottom mentally and doing the TOUGH !OVE thimg.
I worry and fear it will get worse but have realized, i cannot bear her antics.
I pray she will encounter something that will make her seek the help she desperately needs.

Anonymous said...

NOTE: I had to split this into two comments because my first attempt was too long.

I feel for every person who has commented. My youngest daughter was diagnosed with bipolar several years ago. It has been difficult and challenging to say the least but we have been fortunate in many ways.

The first is that our daughter was willing to accept the diagnosis. The second is that she's been willing to take the medications most of the time. The third is that our healthcare coverage and laws regarding treatment do allow for a more extensive hospital stay. Those three factors make a huge difference but even with that, it has been a painful journey.

Some of the things I/We have learned along the way are:

- When our child is well, they are a beautiful person: kind, considerate, empathic, thoughtful. When they are not well, they are a very different kind of person: rebellious, immature, cruel, selfish. They will lie and manipulate, they will steal and run away, they will take heart-pounding risks and betray. They end up hurting themselves with their actions and they hurt their family too.

Many times I've asked myself if I should walk away but I never did because I knew that the times they were at their worst, that was the illness, and because they were currently in an ill stage, they needed people around them who actually loved them enough to do everything they could to help them.

- When our daughter first began to show symptoms of mania, we didn't understand. We thought we were seeing a change in her character as opposed to a change in her mental health. For a period of time, her father didn't want to have any relationship with her at all and that made it more difficult for me because I didn't have his support to support her. One day, it finally sunk in that she was the way she was because she was ill -- not because she had become a bad person, not because we had somehow failed to raise her right. After that, he began to work with me.

We still have days where both of us need to rant and blow off steam during the times she's experiencing an active phase of the illness, but while one of us does that, the other one offers a hug and mans the fort. In some marriages, this kind of illness in a child can tear the marriage apart; in other cases, it can bring both people closer together. For us, it has brought us closer.

- Learn to identify the pattern of behaviour that unfolds during an episode so you can also learn to identify early signs that may indicate an episode is coming and take steps to contain the episode or minimize the damage.

- If possible, negotiate with your loved one when he/she is well so that it is understood if X happens, you will step in and take Y action. For example, if they begin spending erratically, you will take their cash and bank cards and put them away for safe-keeping.

- Try to educate your family and friends and her friends as much as you possibly can without invading your loved one's privacy and trust. These people can become part of your early warning system as they may see things you have not seen or may be someone your loved one will go to in the event of an episode.

Anonymous said...

(Second Part)

- If possible, negotiate with your loved one when he/she is well so that it is understood if X happens, you will step in and take Y action. For example, if they begin spending erratically, you will take their cash and bank cards and put them away for safe-keeping.

- Try to educate your family and friends and her friends as much as you possibly can without invading your loved one's privacy and trust.

- Develop a close relationship with your child's medical care providers. This includes psychiatrists, family doctors, caseworkers, social workers, and various therapists. This can be more challenging if your child is an adult but there is no reason you cannot talk to these professionals about your fears, concerns, and the symptoms and behaviours you have seen. Once your loved one is in better space, they may permit you to accompany them to these appointments.

- Learn to communicate better than you ever have before. It's easy, when your loved one is in the midst of a manic episode or has just made a suicide attempt to feel fear, anger, betrayal, etc. but the midst of the crisis is seldom the best time for you to address that with them. We have had to set our own needs aside and focus on getting them well. Then, we can address the other issues. Our family has found it helpful to make use of family therapy for this purpose and it has been quite helpful.

- Learn everything you can about the medications that are available as treatment. If your family member is reluctant to use them, try to find out why. Try to negotiate with them. For example, you could ask them to commit to a trial period of a few months; ask them to make use of one specific medication as opposed to another; respect their fears about medication and be willing to support them in their desire to reduce or withdraw if their level of functioning supports that.

- Be willing to look at other possible contributors such as nutrition. I am aware of some people who have improved after eliminating specific food products, or who have found improvement with specific supplements. This approach might be especially helpful for those who are not willing to make use of medications.

- If possible, try to have your loved one either living with you or near you. The fact of the matter is that no one else probably cares as much as you do if they live or die. If they will accept your support that can make a tremendous difference; if they won't accept it, your insight into their daily lives might still offer you the opportunity to give it or the opportunity to recognize when they will be open to accepting it. People do make it without family around them, but it's much, much harder for those people.

- Do try to set up and agree to necessary boundaries. This is another area where a third party such as a counselor or therapist may be helpful.

- Do be willing to learn from anyone who has experience with their illness -- other parents, people with the diagnosis, doctors, experts, laypersons. Everyone who has experience may also have a valuable experience to share that you or your child can benefit from.

- Don't expect perfection out of yourselves. It's stressful, and challenging, and painful at times. But with effective treatment of any kind, it can also become better, heart-warming, inspiring, and hopeful.

- Do learn what the laws are regarding Mental Health treatment in your area. They may vary from province to province or state to state.

- When you can, try to keep the love alive between you. If you feel that it's dying that may mean that you are just at your wit's end and you need to find some more support, some more hope, a reason to believe that things can get better.

As I said, I know that we have been fortunate in many ways but as I read through these accounts tonight, I also know that we have been in those places too. There are no easy answers with this and no one else can make them for you. I wish you all courage, strength, and much love.

Anonymous said...

As I read these posts I finally feel that I am not alone. I have a 32 year old daughter dealing with bi-polar but I should say we all are literally dealing with it too. From the time she was 2 I knew something was wrong but it didn't start to really come to the forefront until she was 8 or 9. Her father and I didn't know what we were dealing with she had many problems in school which we eventually had to take her for counseling which lead to her seeing a psychiatrist. She refused to take her meds and as she got old the problems go worse. The stealing and pawning of our items began, staying out all night getting into drugs. Now that she's older she no longer takes drugs or drinks but we have a grandson whose 8 yrs old and both live with us. I can use tough love but need to make sure I get custody of my grandson first.

Anonymous said...

I kicked my 22 yr old son out 3 weeks ago. He is dually diagnosed as bipolar and addicted to anything he can get his hands on. he has blown thru a 28,000 settlement in a very short time.refuses to work, go to school. the final straw was his escalating violence towards me. I cried for a week and now am relieved he is gone. he was told that the family loves him and will be there for him when he goes for treatment. it is non negotiable..
he has a court date in 2 weeks on drug charges and it is our hope he eiter goes to jail or treatment mandated by the court. Good luck to all of you. do not be held hostage by your childs disease

Anonymous said...

My 21 year Aspergers son was diagnosed in January 2014. This was after a 2 year rollercoaster. I put him out a few days ago, because as I said to him, I don't ever want "that line" to be crossed. Its not healthy for him or me to live in my home. He becomes very verbally aggressive, and scary. In January I put him in the hospital when I visited him at his college (outside the counseling center thank heavens), when he said, all I want to do is bash your head in against that wall...The dean drove in her own car and helped me admit him willingly. As I read about BP, I see the classic signs, doesn't bathe unless told, can skip brushing teeth for weekstill they turn disgustingly orange (cheetoh Mouth), sexually hypersexual ...totally addicted to porn...apathy, will not study doesn't want to work, not to better himself. I was up all night crying from sadness and relief, and fright. His father said he can go stay with his grandmother. Of course they hate me for many years, and have no conversation with me, which is fine. I have hope that "clearing his head" 1500 miles away will help. And yet.....they don't even acknowledge that he has aspergers. The scenario is not uncommon. His twin brother is BP.Autistic and intellectually impaired. At 18, I could not do it anymore, and I gave his father total custody. Of course, "it was ALL my fault" till he spent a year with him, and then put him in a group home. It is a beautiful home, but he limits my time intensely with my son. His brother started his violent symptoms at 16...he at 19 1/2. Took me a while to recognize what it all was. I kept thinking "I can fix this" with more schedules, determination, therapeutic intervention. I am smart, I can handle this............................until.......I realize, I cant. He is a man, and has been in MANY situations. He has had a team working with him for 2 years that have been by his side literally daily! I mourned my dreams for him last night. I mourned for our amazing relationship. I mourned for his future. Now, my dreams are "Please God keep him safe and healthy." His grandmother has no idea what is going on, butI did extend a hand...a text...if you ever want to learn about his journey please give me a call...and I thanked her for giving him this opportunity. They have the money and will coddle--(enable) him, but I have to learn to let it go. I told him that I love him with all my heart, but believe that a change of scenery could be the answer. I will finally contact NAMI and begin support for me. Having twins with mental illness is sooooo saddddd....but I will continue to pray every day, for God to watch over my son, and keep him in his arms. Thanks for letting me vent. I have read all the posts, and sincerely pray for all of you and your children and loved ones. God Bless you!

Maggie Kennedy said...

My boyfriend has been off his meds for about three months. At first it wasn't so bad, but I started to see a change. He agreed with me that he need to get back on his meds. We called is doctor where he had went before when we lived az and they said there was a six months waiting list because he would have to be a new patient since it had been so long. We asked about other places went there and no help what so ever. Went to his regular doctor who said he didn't feel like he new enough about it to give it to him. We asked him for help. He called a hot line that sent him to a hospital to get evaluated. After 8 to 9 hours they denied him because they didn't take his insurance after we where told he did. He was starting to loose hope and was loosing control of his emotions. We tried calling so many places. They did nothing gave us no answers. Though he was not in denial about getting back on his meds he was on instating him self he didn't feel like it was right he had to go threw that when he wanted his pills. After I found out I was pregnant he started being worried and stressed about it all becoming mean and nothing like the guy I fell in love with. He attacked me making me making me have to call the police and go to the hospital. I feel so broken having to do this. He needs help but he is not getting it. He has never done this before when he was on his meds. I blame the mental Heath of Arizona that turned use away after he had already been diagnosed and had been on the meds for a long time before. They are now saying I have no say in what happens to him. He needs help that he also wants but isn't getting. Does anyone have anything that would give me answers to help him? They ain't paying attention to him being off his meds and that this is an act of someone having an episode when off there meds. I feel so alone and he is the father of my baby I want him to be in are life's.

Anonymous said...

Part 1
I have bipolar disorder. I am 52 and was diagnosed at 49. I take my meds religiously, but can still have anger issues. The symptom that was worse for me since childhood, however, has been disabling depression. I am doing better than ever as far as that goes.
I just told my 18 yo to leave. Until this year, she has not fully come to grips with her BP diagnosis, although she has repeatedly accepted her OCD diagnosis. Oppositional Defiance, she also rejected.
In any case, these past few months she has been taking meds and going to counseling--on her own, without me, while she is in college nearby. My husband, her father, and I, have given her rent money, although she has chipped in a little from working at a fast food place, which she did for two years until she abruptly quit a couple months ago due to an altercation with co-workers.
Since starting college in Sept, she has mainly remained depressed. When I found out at the end of the first term that she was flunking all her classes, together, we visited the disability office where she was advised on how to prevent getting Fs should she fail to attend classes again. That's when she started being serious about seeing a doctor and going to counseling, after I helped her get set up to do this.
However, she did not follow the disability office protocol on campus and again flunked out. Being on academic probation, she is now ineligible for financial aid until she gets at least a B in one course.
Bottom line, she is running an online biz and says that will enable her to pay full rent in Jul and Aug--the first months she has not been in school since we started paying her rent, or, most recently, half of it.
She has spent days over our house during this time. Lately, when she does this, she rarely gets off the couch. I know she is depressed, but this began to bother me. I know staying on the couch won't alleviate the depression. Plus, she leaves things where they don't belong no matter how often I tell her not to do this. She takes other people's property and loses it then denies taking it. She gets belligerent when confronted, most recently calling me a bitch today and saying my meds aren't working (because I yelled at her to go back to the apt I'm paying for because then she would not have to deal with me).
I've become irritated with her lying around all day here and we've gotten into several arguments because I badger her about it. Yesterday, during a calm period, and after she'd prepared to go out exercising, I told her I didn't mind her staying over as long as she got up in the morning and did something--this is true. However, this morning was more of the same. She left, saying she would not come back or pay her rent and I should never contact her again and she won't contact me.
At this point, I am thinking maybe I really should just step back (I usually break down and call her) and let her really feel what life is like as a responsible adult. I say this because she sits or lies on the couch and compares herself to me, saying, just like me, she is "at work".
I make my living online--enabling me to pay her rent, buy food, pay mortgage, etc. On the other hand, she lies on my couch doing who knows what on the computer, uses my resources and asks me or her father to transport her. She rarely takes the initiative to be of any help at all, unless asked. And when she is asked, she either takes her time or does a bad job, usually.

Anonymous said...

Part 2

In addition to the biz that cannot possibly be as successful as she claims--because she stays up all night and spends a lot of working hours trolling Facebook, You Tube and websites for useless information that interests her--she has an online boyfriend from across the country who tried to live with her. But between his alcoholism and her temper, they wound up in jail after a fight and he is back home. Where is the legitimate comparison between what she does and what I do when it comes to assuming adult responsibilities?
What do you think? Is it OK for me to step back and see how losing contact with her goes until she reaches out, if she ever does?

Anonymous said...

Part 3

PS. I would not even mind her lying on the couch while she is depressed, even though I know that's not helpful for the depression. This would be easier to take if she did not raise her voice at me, make the house messier than it already is, and use other people's stuff, including mine, irresponsibly, then deny that she has used them or make excuses for her behavior. And even though I yell at her, she has no right to do the same to me, her mother, in my house and while I do some much heavy lifting on her behalf. Sometimes, I yell at my other two kids (17 yo boy, 15 yo girl). They don't like it. Sometimes they've gotten out of pocket with me, temper-wise. But I can always reassert my authority as Mom with them and they have never called me a bitch. I can't count the times she's done so.

I know my daughter is sick, has issues I never had--this was evident early on. But it still bothers me that her thinking, as reflected in her words and actions, is so off balance. By this I mean, that she can honestly not see how much she has gotten and gets from her father and I and how out of sync that reality is with how she treats us.

Again, in your opinion, is hands-off a good approach for now?

Donald Kern said...

To those dealing with a tough love issue,
Sometimes it is hard to know what the right thing to do is. Understanding your own limitations as to how much you can handle is one important measure of evaluating your desire to intervene versus letting go. Sometimes taking a "time out" is what's needed to regroup your energies and sort out whether to reinvolve yourself at a later time.
Talking to a support group at NAMI sounds like a good idea. Getting feedback from others who have "been therte" helps. Also DBSA(Depression and Bipolar Support Alliance) is an organization which can be helpful. They can be a great help in reducing a sense of isolation and receiving feedback from others who have walked your road before.The national office NAMI phone number is 800-950-6264 and DBSA phone number800-826-3632.
Additional diagnoses such as Asbergers complicates treatment and the desire to get help. If there is a Regional Center for Developmental Disorders in your area, they also can provide support.
Lastly, for those dealing with a partner who has mental illness, there is a book out called "Loving Someone with Bipolar Disorder" understanding and helping your partner. Written be Julie Fast and John Preston, it addresses this topic.

Anonymous said...

My 20 year old son was just been diagnosed as bipolar. We had to evict him from our house over a year ago. He was smoking synthetic drugs, stealing, breaking things, threatening us, basically all the things I have read in the above comments. since then, we helped him get two different apartments, both of which he caused enough damage to so that he was evicted. He has an on again, off again girlfriend who lives with him at times. She is a nightmare and is the cause of some of his trouble. He's been arrested for DUI, wrecked three cars, won't work, misuses prescription drugs, been through rehab twice, etc. He refers to me as "the bitch" and won't acknowledge any of the things we have done to help him. (He spent two months in the hospital two years ago for abdominal surgery, and one of us was with him the entire time.) He goes to my husband's office and demands money and gas - to the extreme that my husband can't put in a full day's work anymore. He has hit and pushed my husband, and recently told someone that my husband is a demon and needs to be killed asap. We are obviously scared of him and for him and are contemplating moving several hundred miles away so we don't feel so afraid. We can't take much more - we feel like one of us will have a stroke from the stress soon. We want him to get well, and are worried that "abandoning" him will only make things worse for him. It's hard to set aside the love we feel for him despite all the chaos he brings into our lives. We haven't felt true joy in so long I don't know what it feels like anymore. I don't know at what point we put our health and safety ahead of his need for help.

Anonymous said...

After going thru yet another abusive episode with my bipolar husband (who refuses to accept his diagnosis, meds or anything else that might help) in Aug 13, I kicked him out with an ultimatum - get help or move on. Since then he's tried to get me fired from my job of 17 years, told all of my family that I'm crazy and doing drugs (hence the reason I kicked him out - yeah right), told pastors and other church folks horrible stories about me that aren't true and to this day still continues to abuse me via email as that's the only outlet he has. I pray for him every day, multiple times a day as I usually get 2 - 3 emails daily that remind me of how ill he really is. I honestly thought he would finally get help like he promised me so many times in our marriage but no such luck. Tough love doesn't seem to be working here but it is better than being tortured everyday by someone you love...

Anonymous said...

I feel the same as everyone else who has/knows someone with Bipolar/manic depression. I live with my 47 year old mother who has severe manic depression. Her hypo-manic episodes have affected me greatly (I have mild ASD which doesn't help) Her episodes have forced me to move away from home on several occasions and affected my mental well-being. When it is really bad, she gets aggressive and verbally abusive to anyone around her. She swears, accuses people of false things such as theft, rape and things like that. It really hurts because I am only 16 and only just coming to grips with all of it. It is really traumatic...

Anonymous said...

I have been searching for information, web site, blog, something where I can get information on how to regain the trust and relationship I once had with my bipolor daughter. We had a terrible argument over a year ago and have only spoken briefly since then and the most recent phone call ended with me in tears and her verbally disrespectful and angry. When we had our argument a year ago she was living in my home and making terrible accusations. I should have not argued with her and removed myself from the room but instead I told her she had to leave that I had enough of her accusations and disrespect. She has not forgive me for it and I love her so much. Any suggestions or words of wisdom are greatly appreciated.

Anonymous said...

I'm not convinced that tough love is the correct approach under all circumstances. I have been trying this with my wife for 3 years and the result was her engaging in infidelity. We recently got through it, and the "lesson" was that "I" was not being attentive enough to her needs, nor did she feel that I was supporting her enough. Be very, very careful when engaging in a tough-love scenario with someone who is mentally ill and addicted - you might push them farther away.

Anonymous said...

My bi-polar daughter, who is 20, has had both my son and I arrested at different times for 'actual bodily harm' both of which were made up. It was her way of getting back at us over a nasty argument, most recently I had to spend 14 hours in a police cell. She has now left and I have not spoken to her for a month. I am desperately worried for her and still love her but she is dangerous and extremely spiteful. She has been like this most of her life and it has affected many people especially those in our family. She does have medication but don't think she always takes it. She also binges or drugs every so often which only makes things worse. She is managing to hold down this job which I know she loves so fortunately she has money to support herself. I would love to have contact and be able to support her but not have her live with me again.

Anonymous said...

So kicking ill people to the curb is resolution?

Do any of you know why these people don't know they are ill and are non compliant? BECAUSE THEY ARE MENTALLY ILL!!!

Kicking them to the curb to fend for themselves is NOT resolution. It is simply relief for the non mentally impaired people but in no way, shape, or form resolves the sick person's illness or management of the illness.

Seeking relief is understandable and truly necessary. But throwing a mentally ill loved one out into a world that hates them to fend for themselves is heartless, not "tough love".

Try to get guardianship. Find them assisted living......SOMETHING!

You are trying to make someone who is not cut out for average society fit into your "normal" world. Then you are surprised and angry when they don't?!

I promise you, the rest of the world does not care about your mentally ill family member. You are their life raft in this world. Without your presence, they are doomed to fail in nearly all cases.

But honestly, the rest of the world will "understand" and forgive you for doing it to a mentally ill person. But don't try doing this to a learning disabled or physically disabled person who isn't "trying" to manage their situations. The world will hate your treating a person with "REAL" problems in such a way.

Anonymous said...

Me and my wife are going through the same thing as most all these posts, the same Bi Polar Issues the Drugs also Synthetic Marijuana the worst part is he (son 21) has a daughter and her Mother does has the same issues so she (our granddaughter) is used like a tool by him and if we tell him to leave he goes nuts and then wants to take her and leave. We then feel he will do her harm so we start this screaming and yelling till it all settles down then feel better that the baby is not in harms way. The down side to that is we say we will call the cops on him and have her taken away he responds with if you do that you will not live through it. sadly like other posts here we just pray that he will OD or something so we can give his daughter a life other than what she is facing. He can be so good and then turn so fast and its never his fault. I am sorry its 2:00 am and I am just venting to others that already know. Thanks

Anonymous said...

My beautiful boy, where did he go? I am heartbroken. Why him? So unfair. Life is too hard. I love him so much and now he is impossible, unpredictable, abusive, mean, etc. I try to talk to others about it and they say stupid things like 'sounds like he is doing drugs', sounds like he's a spoiled brat', 'sounds like he ....', etc etc. It is so isolating. Feels like atomic bombs went off in our lives.

Anonymous said...

I don't claim to be super educated but I am Bi-polar1 with a slightly above average I.Q.. So I have studied it with hungry to understand how to stay stable. I feel I know a lot after 22 years on meds and in treatment. But all of a sudden there is something different going on in my therapy and I am a little shocked by it.

My therapist seems to be trying this so called tough love on me. I think it's just because I didn't understand how I am supposed to ignore my families hurtful remarks about and to me. He says I can but I can't. It crushes me. So I see he may be trying to get my past this but he is making it worse. I am a classic case of the scapegoat and even he agrees with that.

My family was very emotionally abusive to me and not my brother. They even allowed my brother to hurt me constantly. I was not a problem child. I was just an easy target. I was abused by many in my life because it was all I knew growing up. I am now 51 years old and my therapist who was always helpful, has this new thing he appears to be trying. It makes me question if he has taken some new classes that has changed his approach.

Perhaps it is just that he cares and thinks this will help. But pushing me and being tough on me is just reminding me of the abuse I went through. He said "You just are not getting it". And he is correct, I don't get it. He has always been kind and gotten me through bad times. Now I feel he is adding to them. Putting so much pressure on me to be what he wants just like my parents did. It "feels" as if he thinks I'm just being stubborn but I truly just don't understand this. He says I'm smarter than this but being smart doesn't make depression go away. It doesn't mean I can win against the abuse.

I have to wonder what changed. Recently, I was cruising along pretty well in life. No suicidal thoughts in over 14 years. Then all of a sudden he decides I need to be yelled at and pushed to do things that take me out of my comfort zone and will make me sick. I have been doing more outside my comfort zone as he has helped me to do. But it's like once I did he began to push harder and way to much and to fast.

I do understand that he cares and wants me to be able to do things like a normal person. But the problem with that is I am not a normal person and this is really hurting me. I can't see any benefit to it.

So all that being said I think any family doctor or therapist that pushes someone with a mental disorder to be "normal" is only making them worse. imo It's is better to teach them to live with it and how to deal without. Tough love is abuse in the eyes of the depressed. If your kid isn't normal then accept it and go from there. They will have to live with this the rest of their lives. And while I agree that behavior should be modified in rebellious teens I do not believe tough love of any kind will do anything more that put them in danger.

Anonymous said...

My 24 year old daughter was diagnosed bipolar ten years ago. When she was under aged, I was able to control her medication and monitor her behavior. I felt that we were very close. It ruined my finances, and even today I am still recovering but we had to do two 10 day hospital stays and the medicine was extremely expensive at that time. It would have been worth it if it had made her better. But the second she turned 18 she cut me off of all intervention in her medical care and stopped all treatment. She said she felt "overmedicated". The got pregnant almost immediately (birth control was one of the medications that she gave up i guess) and has gone on a downward spiral ever since. She has been very emotionally abusive to me as well as financially abusive.

The worst part is, my grand daughter has been the light of my life ever since, she is 5 now. My daughter lost custody due to her unstable lifestyle, and she has moved away to Washington state. She is angry that I am continuing to see my grand daughter without her and that I get along ok with the child's father. The only communication I get with my daughter now is angry, profane texts.

I am so torn because since she has been gone, (about two months) I feel happier than I have in years and I can feel my healing beginning. I love my daughter underneath it all but it just hurts to be around her. She has had another child, I barely know him, and she is pregnant with another one now. Her husband, who is only the father of the youngest, is in the military.

She is coming back for two weeks next month, and she says she will not see me because I have continued to see my grand daughter without her. She thinks I should have to wait for her to be in town to see her.

The worst part is that I feel like such a bad person because I am glad if she stays away from me, because I just can't take any more emotional pain. She has run my life for the last ten years. I want my own life now. Is that selfish of me or what?

Anonymous said...

Today was a sad day, yet part of me feels good about standing up for myself. Our 29y/o son was diagnosed with bipolar in 2005. He has a psychotic type. For most of the years between then and now he seesawed between taking meds and not. When not, he had car wrecks, ended in mental hospitals, has had legal complications, and has used up a good amount of our finances. Yet I never lost trust until he recently started drinking and using weed. He found a buddy who uses weed to manage his bipolar. Trouble is when our son uses it, he goes totally insane. Last night the cops found him in a park going nuts. They called me. A friend drove me because I too have Parkinsons, as someone commented above. I had to follow them to the mental health assessment location, where they let him go because he had calmed down. He seemed contrite, too. He had banged his head on the cop cars window and required a CT scan, another several hours and $100. This was the second incident of his going psychotic this month. This morning he took off. Through texting, since he wouldn't come home to converse, I informed him that unless he was willing to explore how the drugs were working for him, and consider changing, he couldn't stay here. At least he didn't lie when he said he was not willing to consider it. He will lose his job too since he works for my husband and he is requiring our son to get a substance abuse assessment, which he won't yet agree to do. I am so sad, relieved, and worried. I think I'm angry too. Any advice?

Anonymous said...

My heart breaks for you, I know exactly where your son 22 is loving and kind one moment then next moment he is threatening to kill me or knock me out..he has hurt me badly both mentally and physically I keep it from my family because I don't want them to hate him..i have known since he was a child that something was off with him I was told he is ADD..but I know it's more he has all the characteristics of a bipolar disorder. I have tried many times for him to stay in counseling but never stays..he is also a heroin addict. Wich at the moment is clean but still has his using tendencies..I am reaching out to many dr for help I pray we make it ib tine before he hurts someone or himself....god I pray for your help now please take care of my son

Anonymous said...

I am bi-polar and never harmed a soul. But my family wanted me to be just like them because they were embarrassed that I didn't hide my illness from their church. They tired tough love to "change" me. I tried to kill myself because of their hatefulness. And no I would not have done it otherwise. I've been mostly stable for 23 years now with only a few mild ups and downs. On meds and in therapy I have done very well since then as long as my family doesn't make me their scapegoat. So I will have to disagree with you that tough love works or is good in any way because it only hurts us. Makes us not want to continue and makes us sicker.

Why kick someone when they are down? All we want is to be loved during our episodes. Would you do this to a cancer patient? Because we feel we are already at deaths door when our bi-polar is in full swing. All this does is push us over the edge. So yeah, if you want your bi-polar loved one to get sicker try tough love. That will do it.

Try real love instead. Granted it takes a little more love and effort many are not willing to give to their own flesh and blood but tough love will only make a bi-polar worse. And quite frankly I should know.

Anonymous said...

My son was attacked in 2009 and ever since then he has been trouble . He was kicked out of a psychiatrist office after the 5 th visit told not to come back . So now he refuses to see another . Hes on Seraquel and I dont believe its helping but making it worse . Im on my own and the holes in walls keep coming . He talks about killing himself because he hates being how he is . I get called home from work because hes having a melt down all the time , I just dont know what to do and now Im having horrible thoughts because I feel like its never going to end . He has been diagnose with PTSD , Anxiety , OCD and not too sure if BiPolar or Borderline . He is extremely intellegent and when ever he talks about something its always passionate . I fear I may loose my son soon .

Anonymous said...

Is Mental illness a green light for stealing, threats, property damage, assault? When is it the disease and when is it just bad behavior? Are they holding us hostage because we love them and hold hope after hope that this is the time that the outcome will be different? I'm on my 8th year with no better story than the above accounts. The rest of the family has given up; getting on with their lives. They refuse to sacrifice anymore. Do you have to lose your health, home, family, job and money to take care someone who is metally ill?
He's had all the advantages psychiatrist, counselors, hospitalizations, rehabs, group homes, social workers, family? When do you suck it up and become peaceful that leaving my son to his own devices might be the only thing that works? How do you do it without guilt, fear and thinking if I'd only tried one more time?

Anonymous said...

I feel like killing myself. My son, 26, diagnosed with bipolar, depression and adhd, is very intelligent but lazy. Doesn't help with chores at home. takes a shower maybe once a week never shaves buys video games all the time. Watches videos, all night long; says that's the only way to sleep. Posts all the time weird stuff, fantasy world on Facebook but really doesn't have friends. He's whole life has been a heartache for us. He makes excuses all the time. Always slow and late to get things done. Gets late to work, constantly buys fast food. Too lazy too make a lunch for himself. Spends more and more on games and figurines. Never was interested in sports, religion.... Too much for me either I kill myself or leave the US with my 401k and run away from everyone... Can't take it anymore. I exercise 9 times a week to relieve stress and take anti depression meds... but getting worse... Help!!!!!!!!!!! What should I do?

Anonymous said...

My 35 year old daughter is bypolar..she is scary...angry..I have been taking care of her for years...picking her up..picking up pieces after bad decisions...enduring her horrible angry outbursts ect. The older she gets the worse the situation is. I let her move back in with me 8 years ago against my better judgement and have had to wait on her hand and foot and completely drained me of all of my money and my personality...I am exhausted to the core...she's been on and off meds..trying out new ones...they work..she stops..she's been on several heavy duty psychiatric meds for 5 years now and suddenly decided to go off of everything...oh boy this has really been fun...Somedays I just don't know how to go on. It's got to be awful on her as well...I love her si much. A couple of months ago, I moved out...I just couldn't live in that terrifying atmosphere any longer. I got my own apartment!! My heart is broken..shattered by this situation and the effect it's had. Now the past few days she has begun attacking others...a dear friend she had for 15 years...her father....of course me again...always me..I would give both of my legs to end this and make it all better for her..for us.I stay close to God and pray around the clock. I am so grateful that she was just now awarded disability so she can pay rent..I am trying to get her to let me help her manage her money because I'm afraid she's going to plow thru it in a very short time and not pay her rent....God bless all of you and your families. Thank you for listening.

Anonymous said...

The name your son calls you now is what my daughter now calls me as well...she is 35 and getting worse every day....I am so sorry you are going through this...

Anonymous said...

My son would rage on me, threaten to never speak to me, then call as if nothing happened. He trashed my family house, drank huge amounts of alcohol, and managed the manic highs with marijuana. He spent money on clothes still hanging in the closet with price tags on them. He got into porn, crazy girls, and new/bad friends. He never slept! He talked fast and always had a new idea that somehow involved my money. He drained my IRA. He would start home projects and never finished them. His postings on Facebook where way out there. He threatened people, myself included. After one hospital stay where he was diagnosed as bi-polar he seemed to be getting it together. WRONG! He was scamming me. He ended up back in the hospital cause he didn't take his meds. Now what? When he gets out will he be different this time. I hope so. I can hope, but I still think that he needs to hit rock bottom, i.e. jail time. This is my HELL on earth. I hope this gets better some day for him and for us, his family.

Anonymous said...

My 35 year old son has been diagnosed with Bipolar Depression this past year. When he was a child, I knew he had mental problems from the rages and anger he'd express over the smallest things. I had him tested and to many physiatrists, doctors and counselors, none of which said he was bipolar.......not until this year at the age of 35. My son lives out of state. My question to you is, why will he not answer my phone calls, my text messages, or emails, months go by and I hear nothing. I know he is working, because I've called his place of employment to see if he is still there. He does have a great job and was very successful in school and college..........he has struggled all of his life with the demons of this disease in his mind....I love this child so very much, my heart aches for him every second of every day.

Anonymous said...

I have read all the entries on this fairly long post and most of them were from people just like me trying to figure out what to do with their situation with an adult child (daughter) who is bipolar. Suffice it to say our daughter has done most of the things that have been reported above here in the posts I just don't want to waste time repeating the crap.. Is there any real hope? I kind of think not. I know there are people with BP that are taking their meds and functioning as contributing citizens but that it the exception and not the rule.

So I too have an adult daughter who was just recently diagnosed BP at age 30 but likely has been that way for many years. We knew that she has issues with many mental conditions and while she was our dependent were getting her therapy but to no real avail. I sort of hoped she would grow out of it as she aged.

When I focus on the hell this illness has put my wife and I through the years I get angry at my lot in life and the difficulties we continue to face. But when I get over my pity party I realize it must pale against the hell she has gone through dealing with her illness herself. What a horrific world she lives in that has no real friends, nobody she can trust, no place she can go, no comfort, no peace. Then I feel guilty for considering kicking her out for self medicating with who knows what she gets her hands on. She can't seem to help herself very well and the medical community isn't able to get her meds correct enough for her to get better and stay that way. So it goes around and around repeating itself only getting worse most of the time.

I guess my interest was to find hope by reading these postings but that too came up empty. For ALL those who have been physically abused by their ill child KICK THEM OUT! You must not let them threaten you and cause you harm.

I rejected God in my life when he failed to cure her afflictions even though I prayed and prayed and prayed and spent thousands of dollars and years on therapy on her. There is no rock bottom for people with mental illness like this. They cant "get it" because they are mentally ill. The primary tool they use to deal with life and its challenges is BROKEN! We can't fix them because there is nothing we can do. Our society has abandoned the mentally ill and kicked them out of hospitals and onto the streets. Most of the homeless we see and read about are mentally ill. They are just like our children only their parents took the step to kick them out, or they ran away from home or perhaps the parents died or were incapable to provide shelter for their despondent mentally ill child. It doesn't matter, the result is the same. If we kick them out because they refuse to do what it takes to get well (remember their tool is broken) it's like kicking out a child who has cancer because she isn't responding to medication. We have no good choices here, just bad and worse.

I suspect I need to return to God to find at least peace in my heart. I just wanted to spend the rest of my life loving on my beautiful wife of 33 years. I didn't want to fight this battle but neither did my daughter want the cards she has been dealt. God and support groups seem to be our only hope for a lasting smile on our faces. Good luck out there. Casey.

Anonymous said...

As I am reading all of the above posts my heart sinks. We all have a common denominator and that is dealing with a mentally ill person in our lives. My son came home in Dec. at 27, jobless, in huge debt, HIV + and in psychosis. He is bipolar w/ADHD and now the drs. tell us it has progressed into psychotic episodes that may or may not be schizo like. and can come on at any time. Cloudy, rainy days are hell to live through. In these times, he either retreats to his cave and doesn't emerge or he packs, grabs what he can and flees for days and we don't know where he goes. So far he always returns. He has good drs. 9 really good meds he is prescribed and they work, when he takes them. But he doesn't always. To one lady above, do not end your life for someone else. You have done your best with your child. You are a good MOM!! You need to take care of yourself. that's what I am doing. If it means you move away and don't tell anyone for awhile, then so be it. It is the hardest thing to do to save yourself. Because no one else will. And when you can't save the other person just try and move on. I am preparing myself for the worse news. Maybe a phone call, maybe the police at my door, maybe the 5:00 news. IDK but my instinct tell me it will be sad news. Prepare yourself and then try to be strong. We are all trying so hard to be the rainbow in other peoples clouds, but you know what, some clouds are destined to be clouds. There are no silver linings or rainbows. They just produce wicked storms, and then the next day the sun rises and we must move on. We cry, we howl, we sob, we hurt but like the death of pet, day by day, month by month we grieve a little bit less. We never forget ever, but we can go on, it is possible. Find someone to talk to or cry with. Don't be alone. Mental illness in our country is an epidemic. So many people are suffering. If you are unable to save the one you are with, then save yourself, try and never give up! Love to all of you who are on this battleship with me.

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